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Dennis Hollingsworth said in August 29th, 2011 at 9:07 am

You left out the part where “everyone”, even travelers, visitors, exchange students, illegals, drug smugglers and Prostitutes would also be paying in. Does the black market no longer exist, in the current tax system? Are not people avoiding paying taxes now, through various means? Isn’t the current system inequitable? You figures may be right if it were only those now paying taxes in the count. This way rich and poor alike all pay the same. The more you buy the more you pay. If the poor chose to grow their own food, they then only pay for what they buy. I beleive that this is a much fairer way to pay taxes and it will eliminate the IRS, a costly Government operation.

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FairTax Skeptic said in September 6th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

I’m glad to see that a CPA is looking into the FairTax. I would be interested in your analysis after you’ve digged a little deeper.

You should know that of the published studies on the required rate under the FairTax, none of them found that a 23% rate would be revenue neutral. William Gale of the Brookings Institution found that the rate would need to be between 44%-65% (depending of the level of non-compliance.) John Diamond and George Zodrow of Rice University found that the required rate would need to be 39% (assuming full compliance). And the Beacon Hill Institute (which was hired by the group pushing the FairTax) found that the required rate would need to be 31.25% (also assuming full compliance.) Those are “tax-exclusive” numbers, or equivalent to a standard sales tax. And, of course, since the FairTax is a federal tax, you would need to add state and local sales taxes to the FairTax rate to get the full sales tax that would be added to the price of a good or service. (And, since the FairTax taxes state and local governments, state and local sales taxes would necessarily increase.)

The end result is that the combined sales taxes would be extraordinarily high, comperable to high customs tariffs that many third world countries used to impose (and maybe still do) on imported goods which, as you point out, leads to a huge black market.

But under the FairTax, there would also be many legal means to avoid taxation. For example, one could simply buy an existing home instead of buying a new home and save $100,000+ in taxes. Same with used cars, etc. Or purchase more goods and services abroad, which would be free of the FairTax. Or set up your own LLC and buy goods and services tax-free as “business expenses.” Or simply consume less stuff. The bottom line is that (in my opinion at least) there will be so many opportunities to avoid paying the FairTax that it would be completely unenforceable. I’d be interested in your opinion on the subject.

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Mark Curran said in August 31st, 2012 at 11:50 pm

I know more about Fairtax that every sucker cult member goof ball in Georgia. I know it because I took the time to read the fine print.

Sure it sounds great, no duh. But it’s not, not not, not, not, not, did I mention NOT a retail sales tax to replace all other taxes.

Thats the hustle. But that’s not in the legislation. In fact, I am so sure it’s NOT in their legislation I offer 50,000 dollars, cash, no gimmich, no double talk, if anyone can show me the part of HR25 that proves its a retail consumption tax to replace all those other taxes.

Fairtax DOES have a retail tax in it. So what? My car has a radio in it. Does that make my car a radio?

Fairtax has DRASTICALLY more taxes than the retail sales tax. See the sworn testimony to Ways Means Committee in June of 2011, which shows 3/4 of the tax revenue in this goofy hustle have nothing to do with retail taxes! NOTHING!

Most of Fairtax is a tax on city county and state government. And much of that — in advance!! Read the fine print! Oh sure, the hustle sound great.

But the hustle is meaningless drivel. The hustle is not the legislation.

This hustle was exposed from the get go, by the way, by President Bush Tax Advisory Panel, who know how to read the fine print. The double talk did not confuse them. William Gale, PhD from Stanford, and some wiz kid at Brookings, spotted the hustle and exposed it. He found the fine print tricks. Yeah, that’s all Fairtax is, a fine print trick. To make their math add up, they include massive taxes on city county and state operational costs!!! All wages, pensions, benefits paid by any government (including the military) is TAXED!! No, the employee does not pay it, the employer is classified (in the fine print) as a “certain”taxpayer, who must send in the taxes on “compensation” expenditures.

And there is no dispute to this. Fairtax complains about his report, but only because “He does not use our tax base”. No kidding. Fairtx “tax base” included all government expenditures! So to “use that tax base” would be to pretend the government can pay itself 75% of their revenue”.

Yes, its THAT goofy.

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